What Are You? Before Religion Told You Who You Were
Knowing the Bible is not the same as knowing Reality. Don Jackson and Daysha Voss give religion its best argument, bring Don's father and the night his heart stopped into the room, and ask the question underneath every belief system: not who you are, but what. Then they hold their own model to the same standard. No one gets immunity, Don included.
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A pastor's title tells you what he has studied. It doesn't tell you whether what he studied describes Reality. Expertise in a belief system is not proof of the belief system, and that standard applies to Christianity, Islam, atheism, nonduality and Don Jackson alike. So before arguing about God, ask what the one doing the arguing actually is. Not who. What. Notice the pattern. Interrupt it.
The Pattern
Somebody Tells You What You Are, Then Sells You the Fix
Surface story: a Facebook graphic called 'Why Religion Is Bad' lit up a comment section, and one reply, 'some theology is not debatable,' exposed a bigger question. Deeper pattern: every one of the graphic's five points sits on the same move. Someone tells you what you are before you've done anything (born broken, born sick, commanded to be well), and then sells you the remedy. The episode refuses both easy exits. It gives the other side its best argument (churches feed people, many pastors protect children, and tithing is often voluntary), and it keeps the documented abuse record in view (a 2018 Pennsylvania grand jury report on six Catholic dioceses, and the 2022 Guidepost Solutions report commissioned by the Southern Baptist Convention's own Executive Committee). Then it goes underneath the argument to one proposition: studying a belief system can make you an expert in the belief system, but it cannot by itself prove the belief system describes Reality. The test case is Don's own father, Apostle Ernest Jackson Jr., a man whose devotion Don honors and whose title still couldn't make his beliefs immune from questions. The episode then asks the question every identity sits on top of: your name, your body, your job, your religion were all assigned or changing. What is doing the observing? Don offers three metaphors (the piano, the ocean, the octopus) as models rather than findings, reads Acts 17:28 against absolute separation from God, offers his own conclusion that hell may be understood as a state of consciousness (maybe hell begins the moment the wave forgets it's ocean), and flags that scholars disagree about how to read the sayings of Jesus. He tells the story of his heart stopping on an operating table and, in the same breath, says an experience isn't proof and holds it to the same standard he asked of the pastor. The closing turn: if what you believe is true, questions can't hurt it. Beliefs need protection, identities need defense, truth just is.
Consciousness Questions
These questions are meant to be sat with, not answered quickly. The method is the same as the episode's: don't take anyone's word for it, including Don's. Look at your own experience, check it, and if you find something different, trust what you find. Notice the pattern. Interrupt it.
- If you can watch your thoughts, your fear and your identity, what is the one doing the watching, and is it anything you could name without borrowing a word somebody gave you?
- Which parts of your answer to 'what are you?' (your name, your title, your religion, your role) were assigned to you, and which would you still say if no one had ever told you?
- Don says expertise in a belief system isn't proof the belief system is true, and that this applies to him too. Where in your own life are you leaning on how much you've studied something as if it were evidence that it's true?
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Transformation Practice
Before the Name
Write down every label someone gave you: your name, your title, your religion, your role, the words your family used for you. Draw a line under the list and ask, honestly: what was here before each of these was handed to me? Write whatever you can say without borrowing a label.
Once this week, sit for five minutes with no input. Let thoughts and feelings come, and notice that you can watch them. Then ask quietly, without needing an answer: what is aware right now, in this breath?
Bring this to someone you disagree with about faith: instead of arguing a position, ask them 'What was the first thing you were ever told about who you are?' Listen all the way through, and answer the same question yourself.
Next time you feel the heat of defending a belief, pause and drop your shoulders and jaw. Ask yourself whether you're defending the truth of the belief or the safety of the identity built on it. Breathe once. Then answer.
This is the practice itself, distilled from Episode 38's closing meditation: you are not separate from the water, you never were. The wave rises, the wave falls, and the ocean stays. Be gentle with yourself and with the people you meet, since they're waves too.
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Run Your Own Belief Through the Same Test
What's happening: Episode 38's rule is that no belief system gets immunity from examination: Christianity, Islam, atheism, materialism, nonduality and the host himself.
Why it matters: A belief that can't survive a hard question was only ever being protected, not tested. If it's true, the question can't hurt it.
What you can do: Pick one belief you hold with certainty, write the strongest version of the best argument against it, and read it out loud to yourself before you read anything defending the belief.
Ask the Better Question in the Next Argument
What's happening: The comment that started this episode ('some theology is not debatable') is where belief announces it doesn't want to be examined.
Why it matters: 'I'm angry' and 'I'm triggered' defend certainty. They don't answer a question, and arguments on those terms never reach the truth.
What you can do: In your next faith conversation, try asking 'What would change your mind?' and 'What would it look like if I were right?' before you argue your side. Then answer both questions yourself.
The campaign for this episode is internal before it's external. Before defending any belief in your next real conversation, ask whether you're defending the truth of it or the identity built on top of it. And be gentle with the person across from you: if they've preached it, taught it, raised kids in it and built friendships on it, questioning it can feel like questioning themselves. Notice the pattern. Interrupt it. Starting with your own.
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Substack — What Are You? Before Religion Told You Who You Were (Episode 38)
Episode 38 of Prodigal — The Podcast, with the full written deep dive.
Prodigal Breaking News — What Are You?
The Prodigal Breaking News companion article for Episode 38.
Prodigal: Leaving Church and Finding God (Iff Books)
Don Jackson's book, including his father, the church and the night his heart stopped.
Credits & Transparency
Methodology
This is a companion guide to Episode 38 of Prodigal — The Podcast. The episode starts from a social-media graphic and a comment thread, and argues one proposition: studying a belief system can make you an expert in it, but cannot by itself prove it describes Reality, and no belief system, including the host's own, gets immunity from that standard. It presents the piano, ocean and octopus pictures as metaphors, not findings, and presents 'hell as a state of consciousness' as Don Jackson's own conclusion, not a historical claim. It states plainly that scholars disagree on how to read certain sayings of Jesus (including whether Luke 17:21 means 'within you' or 'among you'), and that Acts 17:28's attributions to Greek poets are scholarly inference. Don's near-death account is told as a personal experience that he explicitly does not offer as proof. Documented claims (the 2018 Pennsylvania grand jury report; the 2022 Guidepost report; the AWARE study; octopus neuron counts) were checked against coverage and institutional sources. We are Source. Notice the pattern. Interrupt it.
Sources referenced
- Prodigal — The Podcast, Episode 38
- Don Jackson, host
- Daysha Voss, co-host
- Don Jackson, Prodigal: Leaving Church and Finding God (Iff Books, July 29, 2025)
- Pennsylvania statewide grand jury report on six Catholic dioceses, Aug. 14, 2018 (coverage: Philadelphia Inquirer / Associated Press)
- Guidepost Solutions, independent investigation commissioned by the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, May 22, 2022 (coverage: NPR member stations, Christian Science Monitor)
- AWARE (Awareness During Resuscitation) study, Parnia et al., 2014 (Stony Brook Medicine release)
- Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology on octopus nervous-system research (Gutnick et al., Current Biology)
- Acts 17:28 and Luke 17:21, with the translation and attribution questions noted in the guide
- https://prodigalthepodcast.substack.com/p/what-are-you-before-religion-told
- https://prodigalbreakingnews.com/story/what-are-you-before-religion-told-you